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Dr Robert Cathcart MD

Why Supplement with Vitamin C

Determining Vitamin C dosage

Toxicity Claims & Counter Arguments

Vitamin C In Prevention / Treatment Of

Addiction

AIDS

Allergies, Asthma, Venom, Anaphylaxis, Fever…

Anemia – Multiple Sclerosis

Autism, Hyperactivity Disorder

Cancer

Diabetes

Herpes, Shingles

Hepatitis

Mononucleosis

Osteoporosis

Pain

Polio

Schizophrenia

Vaccine Damage, SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome), SBS (Shaken Baby Syndrome)

How It Works

References

Dr Robert Cathcart MD –

Why Supplement with Vitamin C

Determining Vitamin C dosage

Toxicity Claims & Counter Arguments

Vitamin C In Prevention / Treatment Of

Addiction

AIDS

Allergies, Asthma, Venom, Anaphylaxis

Anemia – Multiple Sclerosis

Autism

Cancer

Diabetes

Herpes, Shingles

Hepatitis

Mononucleosis

Osteoporosis

Pain

Polio

Schizophrenia

Vaccine Damage, SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome), SBS

(Shaken Baby Syndrome)

How It Works

References

Dr. Cathcart is mentioned in a number of magazines, including:

Vitamin C Dosage

How to Determine a Therapeutic Dose of vitamin C, by Robert F. Cathcart, MD

Vitamin C, TITRATING TO BOWEL TOLERANCE, ANASCORBEMIA, AND ACUTE INDUCED SCURVY

ABSTRACT

INTRODUCTION

TITRATING TO BOWEL TOLERANCE

THE 100 GRAM COLD

INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES

ANASCORBEMIA — ACUTE INDUCED SCURVY

THE MISSING STRESS HORMONE

MONONUCLEOSIS

HEPATITIS

UNSICK

INTRAVENOUS AND INTRAMUSCULAR ASCORBATE

BACTERIAL INFECTIONS

C AND ALLERGY

CANDIDA ALBICANS

FUNGUS INFECTIONS

TRAUMA, SURGERY, AND BURNS

CANCER

BACK PAIN FROM DISC DISEASE

ARTHRITIS

SCARLET FEVER

HERPES: COLD SORES, GENITAL LESIONS, AND SHINGLES

CRIB DEATHS (SUDDEN INFANT DEATH SYNDROME)

MAINTENANCE DOSES

COMPLICATIONS

CONCLUSION

REFERENCES

A Timeline of Vitamin Medicine

Find a Doctor

Editorial Review Board

The Experts

Publications Index by Expert

Video Index by Expert

Suggested Reading

Proper Vitamin C Dosage

More Info for the layman

More Info for doctors

Clinical Trials

Clinical Trial – Vitamin C & Virus Induced Respiratory Infections

Vitamin C and the Common Cold – Retrospective Analysis of Chalmers’ Review

Dr Abram Hoffer MD – Videos

Niacin in Prevention / Treatment of

Heart Disease

Cancer

Alcoholism & Drug Addiction

Schizophrenia

Case Studies

Supplements VS Conventional Drug Treatments

Counter Arguments

How it works

Determining Dosage

Food Allergies, Nutritional Causes and Remedies

Other

References

Niacin in Prevention / Treatment of

Heart Disease

Cancer

Alcoholism & Drug Addiction

Schizophrenia

Case Studies

Supplements VS Conventional Drug Treatments

Counter Arguments

How it works

Determining Dosage

Food Allergies, Nutritional Causes and Remedies

Other

References

Dr Aristo Vojdani PhD – Videos

Vaccine Damage

Autism pt 1- Rates

Autism pt 2 – Mechanisms

Mercury VS Leaky Gut VS Milk Induced Autoimmunity

Autism pt 3 – Treatment

Catch up Cocktails vs Immune Response Limits, SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) & SBS (Shaken Baby Syndrome)

Virus Weaken Immunity

How to Administer Vaccines Safely

Delaying to a Safe Age

At Risk & Ill Infants, Contraindications, SIDS & SBS

Safe Formulations & Testing Antibodies

Safe Vaccines, Conclusion

Vitamins in the News VS in the Laboratory

Vitamins Counter Arguments (Expensive Urine, Kidney Stones, Cancer, DNA Damage)

Vitamins Counter Arguments, Conclusion

About Immuno-Science Lab

References

Vaccine Damage

Autism pt 1- Rates

Autism pt 2 – Mechanisms

Mercury VS Leaky Gut VS Milk Induced Autoimmunity

Autism pt 3 – Treatment

Catch up Cocktails vs Immune Response Limits, SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) & SBS (Shaken Baby Syndrome)

Virus Weaken Immunity

How to Administer Vaccines Safely

Delaying to a Safe Age

At Risk & Ill Infants, Contraindications, SIDS & SBS

Safe Formulations & Testing Antibodies

Safe Vaccines, Conclusion

Vitamins in the News VS in the Laboratory

Vitamins Counter Arguments (Expensive Urine, Kidney Stones, Cancer, DNA Damage)

Vitamins Counter Arguments, Conclusion

About Immuno-Science Lab

References

Biography Aristo Vojdani, Ph.D., M.Sc., M. T.

Academic Positions

Research and Employment History

Scientific Society Membership

Member of Editorial Boards of Peer-Reviewed Journals

Awards and Honors

Testimony in the U.S Senate

Patents

Publications

News Articles

Dr Andrew Saul PhD – Books

Andrew Saul PhD Bibliography

About Andrew Saul PhD

http://omarchives.org/

Dr Robert Cathcart MD

2008 Orthomolecular Hall of Fame Inductee Orthopedic surgeon Dr Robert Cathcart MD successfully treated over 30,000 patients in over 3 decades with his protocol of very large doses of vitamin C “Titrating to Bowel Tolerance“, sometimes administering over 150,000 mg per day.

Bibliography

Why Supplement with Vitamin C

We can heal better than other animals 2m 34s

Why Use Maintenance Doses 2m 15s

Determining Vitamin C dosage

Summary of first experiences 5m 01s Includes:

(subclip 1) Mononucleosis- 98lb Librarian takes a pound of vitamin C in 48 hours 21s

(subclip 2) Surgery recovery in half the time 36s

(subclip 3) Half the Town Mega Dosing Vitamin C for 3 years 21s

(subclip 4) Vitamin C knocks the hell out of average diseases 17 s

Vitamin C dosage in Maintenance VS Illness 3m 43s

Cathcart’s Personal & Example Dosages When Catching A Cold or Flu 3m 28s

Sick & Elderly need more nutrients, Klenner vs RDA, Maintenance dose fluctuations 3m 29s

Stabilizing The Chronically Ill for better results with Ascorbic Acid 2m 27s

Dosage for Pregnancy & Lactation, Dr. Klenner’s Vitamin C babies 2m 23s

Ascorbic acid VS Sodium Ascorbate – oral versus IV C 3m 36s

Toxicity Claims & Counter Arguments

Expensive Urine 1m 35s

Kidney Stones 2m 41s

Mayo Clinic Cancer Trial 53s

Quack Busters vs Scientific Method 1m 11s

Expensive Urine pt2 – No Diarrhea On Massive Doses When ill 1m 42s

Massive Doses Of Nutrients Have Visible Effects 3m 12s

No Large Scale Studies 1m 06s

No Double Blind Studies, Acute Hepatitis 37s

Educating Doctors VS the Public, Laws Protect Industry 3m 31s

Vitamin C Experts & Toxicity 1m 34s

Interaction With Blood thinners (Coumadin) 52s

Blood disorders that might cause complications with IV C 1m 31s

Drugs better tolerated with C, 1/2 PDR drug side effects 36s

Sewage Plant Water Sterilized by Vitamin C 47s

Vitamin C used properly would bankrupt every hospital in this country, CODEX 30s

Hospitals are scurvy houses. Should be giving IV C 1m 49s

Vitamin C In Prevention / Treatment Of

Addiction

Irwin Stone & Addiction 49s

FDA VS Falconi, Drug Addiction Rehab kit 50s

AIDS

AIDS 3m 44s

AIDS, IV C & Oral C + Anti-Yeast Program 1m 44s

AIDS, Triple Therapy Destruction of Liver & Kidneys Stopped by Mega Dose C 52s

Allergies, Asthma, Venom, Anaphylaxis, Fever…

Chemical Sensitivities VS Toxicity, Food Allergies, Drugs VS Natural substances 5m 02s

Food Allergies, Gluten Sensitivity, Ulcerative Colitis 58s

Food Allergies, Vioxx & Arthritis 4m 03s

Food & Chemical Sensitivities, Allergies 2m 13s

Food Allergies & Lyme Disease 1m 45s

Allergies & Immunoglobin E & A 58s

Allergies, Fever, Asthma 39s

Dr. Klenner MD, venom, Penicillin, Anaphylaxis 5m 53s

Allergies, Scarlet Fever, Rheumatic Fever 2m 47s

Kennel Fever, Ebola, 500g diseases 1m 55s

500g Diseases, Ebola, Lassa, First survivor was taking vitamins 1m 07s

Bronchiectasis, Chronic Otitis Media 1m 22s

Asthma, Hay Fever 40s

No Sugar, Anti-Yeast Program 2m 32s

Anemia – Multiple Sclerosis

Triple B shots, Pernicious Anemia 1m 09s

Anemia, loss of senstations, MS, biochemical individuality, statistical significance 3m 45s

Autism, Hyperactivity Disorder

Autism 1m 11s

Hyperactive kids 1m 37s

Cancer

Hugh Reardon – How IV Vitamin C selectively kills cancer cells 1m 08s

Joseph Breslin pt1 – Curing the mayors wife of cancer 1m 30s

Joseph Breslin pt2– 180g/24h in central catheter, practice of the community 1m 52s

Vitamin C and Cancers, Non toxicity of IV C 1m 19s

Basal Cell Carcinomas, C Paste, topical treatment 1m 08s

Diabetes

Sugar VS Fat, Carbs & Type 2 Diabetes 4m 03s

Type 2 Diabetes, Sugar Mania, Food triggers 3m 05s

Herpes, Shingles

Herpes, Shingles 2m 38s

Hepatitis

Acute Hepatitis (same clip as: No Double Blind Studies, Acute Hepatitis) 37s

Chronic Hepatitis 2m 11s

Hepatitis & blood transfusions, Viruses Cause Some Cancers 50s

Mononucleosis

Mononucleosis- 98lb Librarian takes a pound of vitamin C in 48 hours 21s

Ski instructors & Mononucleosis, Disease tissue needs to be saturated with C 49s

Osteoporosis

Osteoporosis is not a calcium deficiency, Food Allergies & Osteoporosis 2m 34s

Pain

Back Pain, Herniated Discs – Supplements To Try Before Surgery 2m 38s

Polio

Dr. Klenner & Polio 1m 12s

Schizophrenia

Abram Hoffer, Niacin & Schizophrenia, Case Study pt1 2m 02s

Schizophrenia Case Study pt2 58s

Types of Schizophrenia Respond To Different Nutrients 1m 15s

Vaccine Damage, SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome), SBS (Shaken Baby Syndrome)

Dr. Kalokerinos, SIDS, That kid would have been dead in a few hours 2m 03s

Dr Kalokerinos, SIDS, SBS 1m 30s

Kalokerinos, Vaccines & SIDS, Hepatitis, SV40 3m 55s

Dr. Archie Kalokerinos, no SIDS with Vitamin C, every second child 1m 05s

SIDS is Acute Induced Scurvy 2m 46s

How It Works

What are Free Radicals 2m 52s

Free Radicals 2m 59s

Anti-Oxidants versus Free radicals 1m 24s

How Vitamin C stops Free Radical damage 3m 54s

Oxidation VS Reduction 2m 49s

References

Dr Robert Cathcart MD –

Why Supplement with Vitamin C

We can heal better than other animals

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, describes how vitamin C allows us to heal better than other animals.

TRANSCRIPT:

“All the animals except for man, monkey and the guinea pig, make vitamin C.

This is literally why a dog can eat dirty things of the ground,

why they can bury a bone, let it rot for a few days and then dig it up and eat it,

because they make ascorbate just like we make saliva, and this ascorbate neutralizes the free radicals that are involved in all these toxic products.

Well, we humans don’t make ascorbate, and actually the history behind this is probably that about 65 million years ago, plus or minus a few million years,

the higher primates up in the trees where dirty things were falling to the ground

and we had developed arms and hands to pick up clean things

and we were living in sparse populations,

that one of our distant cousins was born that did not make ascorbate

and survived to reproduce and had this interesting advantage.

You see, these other animals don’t make ascorbate for free.

They make it from glucose, so may be 20% of the food that your dog or cat is eating goes into making ascorbate,

whereas humans don’t waste glucose on making ascorbate, so that in times of famine like in the ice age or so forth,

we humans can out starve most animals.

We don’t like to starve, but when you see the pictures of like the people of Dhaka,

we see how terrible the starvation could be and people just live on, and on and on without much food, whereas wild animals will eat themselves up making ascorbate.

They don’t get colds, like dogs don’t get colds, flu’s or things like that, but we can out starve them.

Anyway, that was the advantage for humans not making ascorbate and now we are stuck with it. Now that the humans have come out of the trees and live in these large civilizations and can spread diseases around a lot, then it would be nice to have that ascorbate making mechanism back.

Actually when we start talking about naturallness, I want to point that we can fly higher and faster than birds in our machines.

We can also make more ascorbate with our machines than a dog can, and so we just have to have the knowledge of how to take it and we can take this ascorbate that is made in our chemical plants and be actually more resistant to diseases than dogs are.”

Why Use Maintenance Doses

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, describes how people don’t need convincing to stay on maintenance doses and describes his personal experience with Chronic Sinusitis.

TRANSCRIPT:

“You know that brings up the question of how long people want to stay on these maintenance doses,

I tell you once a person gets on bowel tolerance doses of vitamin C, he gets on maintenance doses we generally don’t have to talk about that because the patient knows what benefit they are getting,

like patients will come in and say I didn’t tell you this, but one of my big problems with life has been chronic sinusitis and since I have had the vitamin C I don’t have any chronic sinusitis anymore, so they just keep it up to keep rid of the chronic sinusitis you see,

and since it reduces the incidence of colds tremendously, they feel so much better, they need less sleep may be an hour or less sleep and all these things are good things and so you don’t have to twist the persons arms to take the ascorbate, they just want to take it.”

Determining Vitamin C dosage

Summary of first experiences

Determining the proper dosage of vitamin C in sickness and in health.

TRANSCRIPT:

“I went into practice in San Mateo in Mills Hospital and while I was there I had frequent colds. I would have a cold every two months and I also had a seasonal hay fever.

Now, the thing was that at that point Linus Pauling was writing this book Vitamin C and the Common Cold and I was ready to try anything, so at that time, I, as luck would have it, got this powdered ascorbic acid, and I didn’t know how much to take, so I took a level teaspoon which turned out to be 4g, and was astonished that it knocked out my symptoms of hay fever in about 15 minutes, and then that lasted for about four hours, and then I took another dose, and another dose, and another dose, and at the end of the day I had taken 16 g and was relieved of the hay fever.

Well, I didn’t catch a cold for about nine months, but I did catch a cold then which was a disappointment, but I noticed that after about 20 minutes to half an hour that the symptoms of the cold went away, but then they came back in about an hour, so I repeatedly took more doses and by the end of the day I had taken about 60 g blocking the symptoms of the cold and the next day I was all well.

Well, I thought that was rather interesting, so I tried this out on patients and I found that without exception in patients who have good stomachs, that is no ulcers, no colitis, or things like that, that the average person can take about 10 to 15 g of ascorbic acid divided up into four to six doses per 24 hours before it produces this loose stool or diarrhea.

The astonishing thing was that that same person with a mild cold could take 30 to 60 g, a bad cold 100 g, a flu 150 g, and then I realized the magnitude of this phenomenon when this 23-year-old, 98-pound lady librarian came in with severe mononucleosis.

She ate a pound of ascorbic acid in two days without so much as gas. This was over 200 g per 24 hours.

At first, I didn’t know what was going on here, but then I was talking with Irwin Stone who had written the book Vitamin C the Healing Factor, and we decided that what was happening here was that these diseases caused the formation of free radicals,

and that the ascorbate when it destroyed the free radicals, the free radicals destroyed the ascorbate,

and when the ascorbate what didn’t reach the rectum does not cause diarrhea. and so we call this titrating to bowel tolerance, and this is why people are able to take these huge amounts of ascorbic acid and to an extent,

the amount of ascorbic acid that you can take when you are sick indicates somewhat how sick you are, how toxic you are.

so anyway, I began to use these small amounts of ascorbic acid on patients postoperatively when I did their hip surgery at Mills Hospital and it was amazing.

These little old ladies who had broken their hips, were not taking many pain medicines, and they were getting out of the hospital in half the time, and some of them said they felt better than before they broke their hip, and everything went fine for about three months, until the staff discovered what I was doing, and I was labeled a quack and all my referrals were cut off.

Well, they could not bankrupt me because this prosthesis was bringing in royalties at that time, but I moved up to Incline Village, Nevada where I was the first physician in town, and the people either had the choice of going over Mount Rose into Reno which was difficult during the wintertime or into Truckee which was another snow pass and so I was the only physician in town for the first three years, and I had half the town on vitamin C before the next physician showed up.

Half the town thought I was crazy and the other half thought I could walk on water, so that was okay.

So, anyway, that is where I got the experience with vitamin C and all those infectious diseases was up at Incline Village,

because, when people come in who don’t have any chronic diseases, they don’t have troubles like ulcers and colitis and other GI tract problems,

the average person who is eating sugar and despite that is in good health and they are athletic and all that, and they just have their cold’s and flu’s and mononucleosis and hepatitis and gonorrhea, and syphilis and diseases like that, the vitamin C just knocks the hell out of these diseases and when you take it to tolerance.

so that is where I got my vast experience with infectious diseases.”

Mononucleosis- 98lb Librarian takes a pound of vitamin C in 48 hours

The largest oral dose of ascorbic acid he witnessed. A 98lb (45kg) Librarian with mononucleosis took a pound (454g) of vitamin C in 48 hours without so much as gas.

TRANSCRIPT:

“I realized the magnitude of this phenomenon when this 23-year-old, 98-pound lady librarian came in with severe mononucleosis. She ate a pound of ascorbic acid in two days without so much as gas. This was over 200 g per 24 hours.”

Surgery recovery in half the time

Surgery patients left the hospital in half the usual post-op recovery time.

TRANSCRIPT:

“so anyway, I began to use these small amounts of ascorbic acid on patients postoperatively when I did their hip surgery at Mills Hospital and it was amazing.

These little old ladies who had broken their hips, were not taking many pain medicines, and they were getting out of the hospital in half the time, and some of them said they felt better than before they broke their hip, and everything went fine for about three months, until the staff discovered what I was doing, and I was labeled a quack and all my referrals were cut off.”

Half the Town Mega Dosing Vitamin C for 3 years

Half of Incline village was following his vitamin C protocol for 3 years while he was the only physician in town.

TRANSCRIPT:

“I was the only physician in town for the first three years, and I had half the town on vitamin C before the next physician showed up.

Half the town thought I was crazy and the other half thought I could walk on water, so that was okay.

So, anyway, that is where I got the experience with vitamin C and all those infectious diseases was up at Incline Village”

Vitamin C knocks the hell out of average diseases

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, describes how Vitamin C knocks the hell out of average diseases when taken to tolerance.

TRANSCRIPT:

“the average person who is eating sugar and despite that is in good health and they are athletic and all that, and they just have their cold’s and flu’s and mononucleosis and hepatitis and gonorrhea, and syphilis and diseases like that, the vitamin C just knocks the hell out of these diseases and when you take it to tolerance.”

Vitamin C Dosage in Maintenance VS Illness

TRANSCRIPT:

“Well, now first of all I ought to talk about maintenance doses and maintenance doses vary from person to person.

You could have kissed the wrong girl when you were 16 years old and gotten the Epstein-Barr virus or herpes 6 or cytomegalo virus or something or other which may be you did not get sick at that time,

but you carry this virus inside you and it produces free radicals so that your tolerance to vitamin C might be higher as a result of that you see,

so that is one of the reasons why everybody’s bowel tolerance to vitamin C varies as a maintenance dose you see and one person, I mean there are few people that get diarrhea as low as 5 g a day,

they are unusual, but they may be the ones who just have none of these little bugs in them at all you see, whereas if you have the average amount of bugs you will probably be able to take 10 to 15 g of ascorbic acid a day,

now some people who have like chronic fatigue and so forth will take 30, 40, or 50 g a day as a maintenance day you see,

but then getting an acute disease like a cold or a flue, everything is off instantly, you may be able to take 50 to 100 to 150 g right then

and what we have found is that smaller doses more frequently are important.

So, this question about whether or not to take it with meals, it could be that you might want to the take your ascorbic acid associated with meals maybe,

it does not make much difference,

but say you had a pattern for your maintenance dose that would be okay,

but when you are starting to take it for a cold for instance it is probably better to take it every 15 minutes to half an hour, smaller doses,

like I would rather see a person take 2 g every 15 minutes rather than 4 g every half an hour or 8 g every hour you see,

and it turns out that the more frequently you take the dose the more likely it is to knock out the acute symptoms,

but for people on maintenance doses usually four to six times a day is enough,

but then if you get a disease like mononucleosis you may be taking oh like 6 g every 15 minutes for a few hours and you keep taking it until you feel sort of a reversal of the symptoms or else you start getting diarrhea and as soon as you get diarrhea then you may want to back down on it for half an hour to an hour you see before taking the next dose.

Now, this sounds complicated, but actually you get a feel for it. You can feel this stuff working in your body.

There will be a sudden relief of a lot of the symptoms and then you match the relieving of symptoms with the onset of diarrhea to figure out the exact dose and the rate that you should take it.

Well, then after doing this say maintenance dose, when you are not sick, after doing this for two or three weeks you just know how much you can take at any particular time and that is another thing is that some people particularly those with allergies will find that their dose varies throughout the day and so one might be able to stand a 6 g dose first thing in the morning,

but in the afternoon they have got to take 3 g you might say, or it might be the reverse you see if they are building up food allergies they might sleep it off during the night and be only able to take 3 g first thing in the morning, but then as they eat they might take 6 g or so.

So, there is a variable dose on this but it sounds complicated, but the major thing is to listen to your body and your body will finally tell you what to do unless you have things like ulcers or some screwed up GI tract.”

3m 28s

Cathcart’s Personal & Example Dosages When Catching A Cold or Flu

TRANSCRIPT:

“Yeah, well, I tell you if I feel like I am catching a cold, my dose, now I have been taking big doses, my dose is 6 g every 15 minutes until diarrhea.

I mean this diarrhea is not really diarrhea, it is just a soft stool and you know, we have one soft stool, so big deal, what else is new,

so when the disease comes I just take it, and take it and take it until suddenly you feel oops it is going to come, and then slow down on it and back off of it,

but the quicker the better because if you can get saturated with the C and in the case of a cold you are trying to get your nose and throat saturated with the C, is

you want to saturate it before this inflammatory cascade really gets going, you see, the thing is that if the free radicals,

remember when the body makes free radicals because the body is damaged,

these free radicals do more damage and cause more free radicals and so there is a free radical cascade,

so that if you hit it hard and fast at the very beginning that is the best.

So 6 g every 15 minutes and you would usually have that go on?

Yeah, what with the average person who has not had vitamin C before, I would say 3-4 g every 15 minutes.

For possibly a couple of hours.

Well yeah whatever it takes, I mean.

Just to give them a basic idea of what they are looking, is it going to be three hours.

Well, see there are 30-g colds and there are 150-g colds, so it sort of depends upon the epidemic.

The one that is currently going around now is about 150-grammer, it is a bad one, and without the C it results in a little bit of bronchitis and I don’t know other people getting pneumonia, I have not heard about that, but I have had patients come in who did not take enough C who are having a little bit of bronchitis.

It is interesting that this particular epidemic does not cause too much coughing, but you can feel it in the chest, but anyway hit them hard and fast, and as I say, as far as I can tell there is no toxic dose of ascorbic acid as long as you are taking it with water. I don’t want anybody to be taking huge doses of ascorbate if they are dry. Now, to give an example,

I had one person years ago who had a fungal infection and was given some two antibiotics by the infectious disease people that made him so sick that he was not eating or drinking,

but he observed that when he took about 6 g of ascorbic acid every hour pretty much dry tablets that he felt so much better and so he did this for three or four days and his kidneys shut down,

and so then when they rehydrated him and he was off the ascorbate for a few days, fortunately he had gotten the yeast and he is perfectly okay, the kidneys have absolutely recovered and the theory was that it was oxalate crystals, not stones but crystals,

and so out of 30000 people, this has happened only once and this guy was one of the biggest vitamin C takers I have ever seen and so that is why, it was under unusual circumstances, so that is why I am saying when you take ascorbate make sure you do not become dehydrated because this might happen.”

Sick & Elderly need more nutrients, Klenner vs RDA, Maintenance dose fluctuations

TRANSCRIPT:

“Well, see there is only about 1 or 2 days in medical school where they teach you about scurvy, beriberi, pellagra, rickets, the extreme absence of certain nutrients cause these diseases.

They don’t talk about this concept and they don’t believe this concept that as people get older that we get less efficient or if we are sick we need more nutrients,

I mean for instance to believe that you don’t need more vitamin C when you are sick is about as stupid as to believe that it takes just as much gasoline to run a car 100 miles an hour as it does 10 miles an hour, you see,

I mean when the body is in a fight for its life it needs these nutrients you see and so that is why the recommended daily allowance,

we call it the ridiculous daily allowance is just absolutely totally inadequate when a person is sick or when they are getting old and inefficient in their absorption of nutrients or if they have some genetically determined metabolic defect in their body you see.

I mean you might have some defect where you lack the enzymes that you absorb zinc, may be you only absorb 1/10th the amount of zinc that you ought to, well but that is okay, you just take 10 times the amount of zinc and then you totally bypass the block genetically you see.

But as far as the maintenance dose, Klenner had an idea that I have no objection to is 1 g per year of life up to 10 years, so 10 g for a 10-year-old and then adults would take 10 g a day basically,

but I am would add to this too that I think everybody should try to titrate to bowel tolerance and see where their tolerance is and then lower that down to a comfortable maintenance dose.

Now lets say for instance that your bowel tolerance is something like 15 g or just 20 g or something like that when you really push it, well and you are still young and you haven’t reached what I call the age of wrinkles,

then may be a 5, 10 g a day maintenance dose would be okay,

but lets say you are a young person and you find that you can take 35 to 45 g a day without getting diarrhea,

well then you know you have a burn on in your body,

you know you have got something that is making free radicals,

maybe it is an allergy, maybe it is Epstein-Barr, maybe it is herpes 6, maybe it is candida,

but it is something where the body would benefit by taking near to bowel tolerance doses all the time.

Now, one of the things that sometimes happens when you do that, lets say you find that you’ve got a bowel tolerance of 35 g and so you start taking close to 35 g.

After several weeks you may find that your tolerance is dropping and what is happening there is you are probably knocking off the bug that was making the free radicals that allowed you to take the 35 g,

so sometimes people will find that their bowel tolerance to ascorbic acid decreases over a period of time.

Now, sometimes that will be permanent, but then sometimes, say you are down to 15 g a day having been able to take 35 g at first and then you are down to 15 g and then let us say you don’t take it for a few days you may find that you suddenly bounce back up to 35 g again.

See, sometimes you will and sometimes you will not, depends upon whether or not the body has been able to knock off the bug completely or not.”

Stabilizing The Chronically Ill for better results with Ascorbic Acid

TRANSCRIPT:

“See, all these easy magnificent results I got up at Incline Village with these otherwise healthy people.

Now, then unfortunately we have this situation wherein more civilized areas, it is the chronically ill people that get interested in orthomolecular medicine and they are a pain as far as ascorbic acid in concerned. I mean, they have ulcers, they have food and chemical sensitivities they have all sorts of ideas about what they are allergic to and not allergic to and you got to fight all these things you see and you have to almost baby them into it and so that is why the part of the skill of all this is that you put them on the anti-yeast program which cleans up the bowel which then may be they become more tolerant to C, sometimes you have to give them 50:50 sodium ascorbate and ascorbic acid mixes at first.

Some people have tremendous amounts of gas with ascorbic acid. Now, the average person off the street does not do that, but these chronically ill people sometimes will have tremendous amounts of gas, and so then we have to have them watch the foods that they eat, see because there is no question that ascorbic acid in low doses causes a little gas, moderate doses moderate gas, large amount large amount of gas, huge amount no gas.

It is interesting that it seems to kill the bowel flora that makes the gas and what I mean about 100 g or so, if you have a cold and take these huge doses, you think it would blow your guts out, but it does not you see, but then one interesting thing when you are killing the flora you will worry about Staph enteritis or something or other like that happening afterwards. I have never seen an adverse flora grow back first when a person took massive doses of ascorbate which is an interesting phenomenon.

I think may be the reason for that is that for millions of years of evolution, the animals had ascorbate in their bodies and the bacteria that we grew up with in the evolutionary sense were used to ascorbate and now it is the bacteria and fungus and so forth that grow in sugar in the junk foods that we eat now that are pathologic and they are knocked off by the ascorbate and do not grow back as well as the good bacteria do.”

Dosage for Pregnancy & Lactation, Dr. Klenner’s Vitamin C babies

TRANSCRIPT:

“Oh yeah, well, again we have this situation where I would modify his recommendations slightly depending upon what the woman’s bowel tolerance was, but I think as a matter of fact the first trimester he would give them about 5 g a day, the second trimester 10, and the third 15 or something like that

and it is sort of interesting that when I first heard about this vitamin C thing and began to experience myself, in Medical Tribune there is an editor named Sackler, who is a great medical philosopher and he was very interested in all this stuff and he published some letters about Klenner

and so I called Reedsville, North Carolina, the operator there and asked for the local hospital. It turned out it was the Bonney Dune Hospital and I asked to talk to the head nurse there and when I got her on the phone, I said well who is this Fred Klenner, and she said well he is a great doctor

and she said you must be calling about this vitamin C thing and I said yes,then she says well it works,and I said well do the other doctors do it, and she said no,and I said well why not, and she said well I don’t know, but it works,

and then she proceeded to tell me about the vitamin C babies, how healthy they were and how they didn’t cry very much and they would raise their heads up and look around as the other kids were ranting and raving and as I said in general how healthy they were

and Klenner did not do episiotomies, that the women didn’t tear when they had birth, I mean you figure we have been the product of millions of years of evolution, why should the bottom of a woman tear when she is giving natural child birth,

well the fact of the matter is, it is because of all this nutritional deficiency, the tissues break down, they get stretch marks and all this, zinc deficiency, vitamin C deficiency all have to do with these break downs of tissue,

well when you give the person good amount of all these nutrients they don’t tear. They just strictly stretch and have a normal child birth and everything is okay.

So, anyway, that was my original introduction into ascorbate is hearing about Klenner’s work.”

Ascorbic acid VS Sodium Ascorbate – Oral versus IV C

TRANSCRIPT:

“Oh, may be the dose four times a day, may be taking 2-3 g four times a day to start, and do not worry about meals.

Now, this I think the most effective form is ascorbic acid. Then this gets complicated if a person has ulcers.

well, this is what I call the ascorbate effect.

I find it is more effective with ascorbic acid orally.

Now, we can get the ascorbate effect with sodium ascorbate intravenously, but I find that sodium ascorbate orally is not quite as powerful as ascorbic acid by mouth.

Now, if you cannot take ascorbic acid, like you have ulcers, like if my slap myself that does not hurt, but if I had a sunburn it would, so ascorbic acid on an ulcer may hurt, it may heal the ulcer after a while, but at first it might hurt.

So, then what we do is sort of baby people into taking it by making it 50:50 mix of ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate or even use other types of buffered vitamin C to build up.

Now, magnesium ascorbate is a great way to get magnesium in, but remember that magnesium is a laxative so that does not count as far as the diarrhea is concerned if you are taking magnesium ascorbate.

everything that I have been saying about titrating to bowel tolerance has been based upon the taking of ascorbic acid.

Now, the intravenous since you cannot take ascorbic acid by vein, you need sodium ascorbate.

See, we figure that only about a 7th of the ascorbic acid that we take by mouth ever gets into the blood stream, whereas 100% of the sodium ascorbate that we take by vein by definition gets in the veins

so that we find that even though the sodium ascorbate is only about half as strong as the ascorbic acid, seven times as much gets in the body so it’s about three and a half times more powerful,

so the doses of sodium ascorbate when we treat a disease by vein, like say if you have a 100-g cold that is a cold that would allow you to take 100-g of ascorbic acid by mouth probably 40 to 50 g by vein would do it,

but the thing is since there is absolutely no side reaction to sodium ascorbate by vein we found that we just put 60 g inside of a 500 cc bottle of lactated ringers

and we give one or two bottles of 60 to 120 g, it is not a big deal as to how much it takes because we can overshoot with complete harmlessness you see,

I mean, people just do not have a bad effect from sodium ascorbate by vein,

so rather than risk not giving enough we give too much and the other thing with a very serious disease you would give the sodium ascorbate intravenously

as fast and as much as necessary to break the fever, to break the symptoms you see,

so that even though I haven’t treated something like Ebola, if somebody had Ebola,

I would be giving them intravenous vitamin C may be 180 g a day or may be 300 g a day,

I don’t know, whatever it took at whatever rate it took to break the temperature to break the fever.”

Toxicity Claims & Counter Arguments

Counter Argument – Expensive Urine

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, counters the expensive urine argument. Where critics claim anything beyond small amounts of vitamin C just spill over into the urine.

TRANSCRIPT:

“Yeah, well some of the arguments that have been used against vitamin C is, first off there was a study in young healthy men which showed that when you take over 2 g that there is a saturation of the blood stream and the rest of it spills out in the urine.

Well, this is not quite true.

What we are interested in is the amount of ascorbate in the tissue involved by the disease, so think of the analogy of a big pie pan with just narrow edges

and that you cannot put in water fast enough to bring the level up over the edges of the pad,

that it all spills out, but what the diseased areas would be like a hole in the center of the pan

and what we are interested in is the amount of ascorbate that goes down into that hole to neutralize the free radicals generated by the disease.

We don’t care about the ascorbate that is spilled over the sides and that is the reason why these studies of blood levels of vitamin C don’t really indicate anything.

What you go to do is find the levels of ascorbate within the cells of the diseased tissue, but actually I don’t know how you would do that, but you really don’t have to because the fact of the matter is that when you use doses high enough it simply erases the symptoms. It just always does it and so there is really not much reason to do double blind studies and stuff like that. ”

Counter Argument – Kidney Stones

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, counters the argument that too much vitamin C can cause kidney stones. In fact he uses vitamin C, B6 and Magnesium to resolve kidney stones.

TRANSCRIPT:

“The other criticism was that it would cause oxalate kidney stones.

Well, no one has ever been able to come up with a series of patients showing that it would cause oxalate kidney stones.

Believe me, that would be an easily, easily published articles if anyone would be able to do that and they have not been able to do it.

Well, but then the question is why is that ascorbate does not cause oxalate kidney stone because it is quite true that those of us who take ascorbate have high oxalic acid in our urine,

like my oxalic acid in my urine is three times normal, but no kidney stones.

Well, it turns out that if you section a calcium oxalate kidney stone there is always s a nidus of infection in the middle of it. Now, they are called saying it is a nano bacteria and the stone grows around this nidus of bacteria like a pearl grows around a piece of sand in the oyster and so the thing is that we may have the most expensive urine in town, but we also have the cleanest urine in town, is that the ascorbate being spilled in the urine when you take large amount is sterilizing the urine and in fact some urologists are beginning to use this in people who have to have indwelling catheters all the time to keep them from getting infected and so anyway that seems to be the reason why we don’t get kidney stones.

I have given over 30000 people massive doses of ascorbate since 1969 and I have seen one or two cases of stones,

but they really were not taking the high doses and out of 30000 I don’t think that is very many,

and as a matter of fact, at least in one of them what we did was to up the vitamin C and give them B6 and magnesium and then they didn’t have any more kidney stones.

Adel Davis years ago had talked about how oxalate kidney stones resulted from a deficiency of B6 and magnesium and we have found that to be true and a good treatment for these things,

but I do say that people who take massive doses of ascorbate should drink a fair amount of water

and you should never become dehydrated when you are taking massive doses

because you might actually get oxalate crystals in the urine,

but there you wont have trouble as long as you drink a lot of water. ”

Counter Argument – Mayo Clinic Cancer Trial

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, counters the argument that the Mayo Clinic failed to replicate the Linus Pauling trials of Vitamin C and Cancer in Vale of Leven. The Mayo Clinic only gave oral C for a short period whereas Pauling gave 10g of IV C continuously to his subjects.

TRANSCRIPT:

“Now, there have been other studies like the Mayo Clinic study,

I really don’t remember the details, it was so Mickey Moused,

they used patient’s who had had chemotherapy before and they only did small amounts and so forth.

It just was not valid and besides that when Linus Pauling was on the right track about vitamin C and cancer,

but when he wrote the book he did not realize the massive doses that would be necessary to do this in some cases and so now as we are getting to higher and higher doses,

we are getting better and better results because as I say

the treatment of cancer does not depend upon neutralizing of free radicals in my opinion.

It has to do with this formation of peroxide in every cell of the body.”

Quack Busters vs Scientific Method

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, counters the argument that vitamin C can’t do all the things he claims because his experience proves they do. That the scientific method was you did experiments and the facts should determine the theory, not the theory the facts.

TRANSCRIPT:

“You know I think one of the great theories of medicine,

you know these quack busters, considering that they are saying that we are not being scientific.

Well, the way I learned the scientific method was you did experiments and the facts should determine the theory, not the theory the facts.

I mean, I am constantly having doctors tell me that vitamin C can’t do this and that

because of such and such you see,

but the fact of the matter is that it does do it,

so they should change their becauses because of this.

Now, as I say, I have given over 30000 patients massive doses of vitamin C since 1969

and we have just not seen any increase in cancer

and in fact if anything we have seen a decrease in cancer,

so if in vitro there are different studies that show this

and that chemical may be changed, I am not very impressed with that.

You know, I just really didn’t pay much attention to that because it just didn’t happen.

The facts should determine the theory and the fact of the matter is that vitamin C is just simply not toxic.”

Expensive Urine pt2 – No Diarrhea On Massive Doses When ill

Dr Robert Cathcart MD, describes how spillover still goes through blood to get there. A sick person can take as much as 10-20 times the amount of vitamin C when sick than what would cause them diarrhea when healthy. Showing that the body is indeed needing and using it along the way when ill.

TRANSCRIPT:

“Oh yeah, well that has to do with the renal threshold is that lets say for instance if that study that shows that there is a maximum effect of 2 g a day,

that just means that if you take over that amount it is spilling out in the urine, you see, but it was in the blood stream to get there,

but now if then there is some black hole in the body’s metabolism somewhere where it is generating huge amounts of free radicals then that extra dose of ascorbate will go down that hole you might say rather than going out in the urine.